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	<title>Comments on: Ohio State Issue 2 on November 3rd</title>
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		<title>By: LEONORA</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/10/22/ohio-state-issue-2-on-november-3rd/comment-page-1/#comment-450</link>
		<dc:creator>LEONORA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin: you Are such an ignorant person, honestly, you dont know anything about compassion and about how much this factory farms are ruining the planet, and not to mention how much people has heart stroke, multiple sclerosis, hogh colesterol and cancer specially in the united states, all of this why? because people just likes to indulge on animals meat and eggs cuz they taste good and they are fooled by the industry saying they are good for you when they are clearly not.

If you inform yourslef  you will figure that out.

People is eating way to much meat 5 times more than 30 years ago, so there you go, i dont think that being humane to animals would put that industry out of bussines common&#039; are you kidding me??? if something it will do good for the poor animals, t epeople and the planet to eat less meat, ignorance is what keeps people thinking they would not get nutrients from grains, beans and vegetables.

And BEING inhumane to animals is a reflecting of th eproblems in our planet now a days because WE HUMANS JUST CARE ABOUT MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE , like racism , SPECISM is what makes us feel we are better than animals and we can abuse them as much as we want BUT IS IT WRONG, THIS ANIMASL HAS VE FEELINGS TOO, AND THEY CLEARLY SUFFER WHILE YOU THINK ABOUT EATING YOUR SATURED FAT HIGH CHOLESTEROL BACON AND SAUSAGE FOR BREAKFAST....it is just STUPID, HIPPIES?? hahaha You are clearly so unevolved as a person, i pray to god he enlighten your soul because you are clearly lost my dear!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin: you Are such an ignorant person, honestly, you dont know anything about compassion and about how much this factory farms are ruining the planet, and not to mention how much people has heart stroke, multiple sclerosis, hogh colesterol and cancer specially in the united states, all of this why? because people just likes to indulge on animals meat and eggs cuz they taste good and they are fooled by the industry saying they are good for you when they are clearly not.</p>
<p>If you inform yourslef  you will figure that out.</p>
<p>People is eating way to much meat 5 times more than 30 years ago, so there you go, i dont think that being humane to animals would put that industry out of bussines common&#8217; are you kidding me??? if something it will do good for the poor animals, t epeople and the planet to eat less meat, ignorance is what keeps people thinking they would not get nutrients from grains, beans and vegetables.</p>
<p>And BEING inhumane to animals is a reflecting of th eproblems in our planet now a days because WE HUMANS JUST CARE ABOUT MONEY AND NOTHING ELSE , like racism , SPECISM is what makes us feel we are better than animals and we can abuse them as much as we want BUT IS IT WRONG, THIS ANIMASL HAS VE FEELINGS TOO, AND THEY CLEARLY SUFFER WHILE YOU THINK ABOUT EATING YOUR SATURED FAT HIGH CHOLESTEROL BACON AND SAUSAGE FOR BREAKFAST&#8230;.it is just STUPID, HIPPIES?? hahaha You are clearly so unevolved as a person, i pray to god he enlighten your soul because you are clearly lost my dear!</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,



Thanks for demonstrating the ignorance of the supporters of Issue 2.  You almost do our work for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>Thanks for demonstrating the ignorance of the supporters of Issue 2.  You almost do our work for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/10/22/ohio-state-issue-2-on-november-3rd/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You tree huggers have no idea what you are talking about.

yes, the board would be a form of bigger gov&#039;t, but, it is the lesser of two evils. If this proposal were to fail, which by the way, no chance in hell it will, the humane society of the united states will ban the use of battery and farrowing crates. which will put big production farms out of buisiness, and also small farms. i used to show swine in 4-H, i also have a 7 year old brother and 7 year old cousin who are just starting out. it tears my heart out knowing that if it fails, they will not be able to show anymore because a group of hippies decided its not rite to pen up animals. i dont think anyone wants to hit a cow with their car. thats what it comes down to.





Fuck you, get a life ppl!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You tree huggers have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>yes, the board would be a form of bigger gov&#8217;t, but, it is the lesser of two evils. If this proposal were to fail, which by the way, no chance in hell it will, the humane society of the united states will ban the use of battery and farrowing crates. which will put big production farms out of buisiness, and also small farms. i used to show swine in 4-H, i also have a 7 year old brother and 7 year old cousin who are just starting out. it tears my heart out knowing that if it fails, they will not be able to show anymore because a group of hippies decided its not rite to pen up animals. i dont think anyone wants to hit a cow with their car. thats what it comes down to.</p>
<p>Fuck you, get a life ppl!!</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Issue 2 is an expansion of State Government that creates unchecked power and new layers of unaccountable bureaucracy over our livestock farmers.



What did it take to twist the arms of all the members of both the House and Senate to make them take such a draconian measure? If we change the Constitution every time the wind blows from the wrong direction, what value remains in it? What next? Change the US Constitution to remove free speech and religious freedom?



The text of issue 2 shows just how rushed the process was and how little thought went into doing the job right. The Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board is not even an imperfect solution. It is not a solution at all. The correct solution is to add the proper language into Ohio Revised Code, a process that would require both the House and Senate to debate and agree on language and the Governor to sign the bill into law.



We are being told that this Board will protect farms from animal rights groups, but what will protect the farmers from the Board, a panel of bureaucrats without accountability?





After reading the proposed resolution, we have several questions regarding Issue 2.



Why did the Ohio Farmers Union decide to oppose issue 2 in their August meeting?



Will we need a license or permit to own and raise livestock in this state?



Will special training and classes be required to obtain the right to raise livestock?



Will someone come to our farm to ensure that we follow the guidelines set forth by this Board, without search warrants or probable cause?



Will we be criminals, and subject to fines/prison if we disagree with the standards set by the Board and fail to comply?



Will these board members be paid? If so, who decides their salary?



How will the actions of this board be funded: by taxpayers or farmers?



How will Board decrees be enforced?



How long will the terms of appointees be? Indefinite or limited?



Why is this Board given “excusive authority to establish standards governing the care and well-being of livestock and poultry in this state” instead of the farmer?



Why are the members of this Board appointed (10 by Governor) and not voted into their position by the farmers themselves?



What appeal process will be available for those who wish to challenge the standards set by this Board? Will that appeal require a fee also?



Why only three “family farmers”? Won’t they be outnumbered by the other 10 non-farmers?



What effect will the approval of the Board have on organic and all natural farms?



Why is Farm Bureau using fear to provoke the acceptance of this amendment?



Will this Board view livestock as the private property of the farmers with Divine right to govern them as their own conscience directs? Or is livestock the property of the State?



Will this Board establish rules regarding vaccines?



Will we be required to keep updated farm records and submit them annually to this board?



Will the Amish of Ohio be exempt from any rules that contradict their religious beliefs?



Why would we want to establish a government entity to “protect us (farmers) from special interest groups” when the very way these groups achieve their goals is to lobby and control government entities?



Doesn’t this proposed amendment contradict the original FFA Creed. paragraph three, which states:



I believe in leadership from ourselves and respect from others. I believe in my own ability to work efficiently and think clearly, with such knowledge and skill as I can secure, and in the ability of organized farmers to serve our own and public interest in marketing the product of our toil. I believe we can safeguard those rights against practices and policies that are unfair.

If we have sworn the oath of the Pledge Of Allegiance, which professes “Liberty and Justice for all,” since this amendment takes the liberty to raise livestock from an individual farmer and gives it to the direct control of the State, would we be committing hypocrisy according to our spoken oath?



Are horses included under the authority of this Board? If not, shouldn’t they be protected from animal rights groups too and be subject to the standards decreed by this Board?



Is forfeiture of liberty the only way to protect livestock farms in Ohio from animal rights groups? Are there other options available?



In conclusion, we support the opposition to Issue 2 as expressed by the Ohio Farmers Union, The League of Women Voters, Ohio Food and Water Watch, The Ohio Environmental Stewardship Alliance, and all the major newspapers in Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Issue 2 is an expansion of State Government that creates unchecked power and new layers of unaccountable bureaucracy over our livestock farmers.</p>
<p>What did it take to twist the arms of all the members of both the House and Senate to make them take such a draconian measure? If we change the Constitution every time the wind blows from the wrong direction, what value remains in it? What next? Change the US Constitution to remove free speech and religious freedom?</p>
<p>The text of issue 2 shows just how rushed the process was and how little thought went into doing the job right. The Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board is not even an imperfect solution. It is not a solution at all. The correct solution is to add the proper language into Ohio Revised Code, a process that would require both the House and Senate to debate and agree on language and the Governor to sign the bill into law.</p>
<p>We are being told that this Board will protect farms from animal rights groups, but what will protect the farmers from the Board, a panel of bureaucrats without accountability?</p>
<p>After reading the proposed resolution, we have several questions regarding Issue 2.</p>
<p>Why did the Ohio Farmers Union decide to oppose issue 2 in their August meeting?</p>
<p>Will we need a license or permit to own and raise livestock in this state?</p>
<p>Will special training and classes be required to obtain the right to raise livestock?</p>
<p>Will someone come to our farm to ensure that we follow the guidelines set forth by this Board, without search warrants or probable cause?</p>
<p>Will we be criminals, and subject to fines/prison if we disagree with the standards set by the Board and fail to comply?</p>
<p>Will these board members be paid? If so, who decides their salary?</p>
<p>How will the actions of this board be funded: by taxpayers or farmers?</p>
<p>How will Board decrees be enforced?</p>
<p>How long will the terms of appointees be? Indefinite or limited?</p>
<p>Why is this Board given “excusive authority to establish standards governing the care and well-being of livestock and poultry in this state” instead of the farmer?</p>
<p>Why are the members of this Board appointed (10 by Governor) and not voted into their position by the farmers themselves?</p>
<p>What appeal process will be available for those who wish to challenge the standards set by this Board? Will that appeal require a fee also?</p>
<p>Why only three “family farmers”? Won’t they be outnumbered by the other 10 non-farmers?</p>
<p>What effect will the approval of the Board have on organic and all natural farms?</p>
<p>Why is Farm Bureau using fear to provoke the acceptance of this amendment?</p>
<p>Will this Board view livestock as the private property of the farmers with Divine right to govern them as their own conscience directs? Or is livestock the property of the State?</p>
<p>Will this Board establish rules regarding vaccines?</p>
<p>Will we be required to keep updated farm records and submit them annually to this board?</p>
<p>Will the Amish of Ohio be exempt from any rules that contradict their religious beliefs?</p>
<p>Why would we want to establish a government entity to “protect us (farmers) from special interest groups” when the very way these groups achieve their goals is to lobby and control government entities?</p>
<p>Doesn’t this proposed amendment contradict the original FFA Creed. paragraph three, which states:</p>
<p>I believe in leadership from ourselves and respect from others. I believe in my own ability to work efficiently and think clearly, with such knowledge and skill as I can secure, and in the ability of organized farmers to serve our own and public interest in marketing the product of our toil. I believe we can safeguard those rights against practices and policies that are unfair.</p>
<p>If we have sworn the oath of the Pledge Of Allegiance, which professes “Liberty and Justice for all,” since this amendment takes the liberty to raise livestock from an individual farmer and gives it to the direct control of the State, would we be committing hypocrisy according to our spoken oath?</p>
<p>Are horses included under the authority of this Board? If not, shouldn’t they be protected from animal rights groups too and be subject to the standards decreed by this Board?</p>
<p>Is forfeiture of liberty the only way to protect livestock farms in Ohio from animal rights groups? Are there other options available?</p>
<p>In conclusion, we support the opposition to Issue 2 as expressed by the Ohio Farmers Union, The League of Women Voters, Ohio Food and Water Watch, The Ohio Environmental Stewardship Alliance, and all the major newspapers in Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/10/22/ohio-state-issue-2-on-november-3rd/comment-page-1/#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Allyson!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Allyson!</p>
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