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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;d rather see real reform, not your&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: KD</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/11/13/id-rather-see-real-reform-not-your/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>KD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rashid,

First, thank you for commenting.  However, I disagree with your comment.  It is, for the animals in question, a matter of life and of death.  Once you take a life, you cannot bring it back.  That makes it, for me, an all or nothing issue.  Either you support the slaughter of animals (regardless of species) or you don&#039;t.  When you talk about saving lives, there is no middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rashid,</p>
<p>First, thank you for commenting.  However, I disagree with your comment.  It is, for the animals in question, a matter of life and of death.  Once you take a life, you cannot bring it back.  That makes it, for me, an all or nothing issue.  Either you support the slaughter of animals (regardless of species) or you don&#8217;t.  When you talk about saving lives, there is no middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Rashid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rashid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is total b.s.   You make it as though it is an all or nothing issue.  As with most things in life, there is a middle area.  I myself eat a diet which I call pesca-vegan...I eat no animal products except fish (it is my personal opinion after hundreds of hours of study that this is the diet best fit for humans)...How is he a hypocrite?  He is contributing as best he can.  Every movement has those who take extreme measures as well as those who help as best they can.  Just because someone is not 100% perfect vegan doesnt mean they can&#039;t speak out about animaly cruelty.  Like I said I am pesca-vegan, however I often inform my friends and family about the horrors of factory farming and consumption of most animal products..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is total b.s.   You make it as though it is an all or nothing issue.  As with most things in life, there is a middle area.  I myself eat a diet which I call pesca-vegan&#8230;I eat no animal products except fish (it is my personal opinion after hundreds of hours of study that this is the diet best fit for humans)&#8230;How is he a hypocrite?  He is contributing as best he can.  Every movement has those who take extreme measures as well as those who help as best they can.  Just because someone is not 100% perfect vegan doesnt mean they can&#8217;t speak out about animaly cruelty.  Like I said I am pesca-vegan, however I often inform my friends and family about the horrors of factory farming and consumption of most animal products..</p>
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		<title>By: Vegan Maven</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/11/13/id-rather-see-real-reform-not-your/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegan Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veganism is not only about food.



If you want to understand the ethics of veganism then take a look at the work of people like Gary Francione. For example, http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/faqs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veganism is not only about food.</p>
<p>If you want to understand the ethics of veganism then take a look at the work of people like Gary Francione. For example, <a href="http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/faqs/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/faqs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vegan Maven</title>
		<link>http://www.yourdailyvegan.com/2009/11/13/id-rather-see-real-reform-not-your/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Vegan Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herwin, this is not a difficult issue to understand. A hypocrite is somebody who espouses certain views or beliefs and then behaves in a way that is contrary to those espoused views or beliefs. So ANYBODY (myself included) who declares themselves to be pro-animal rights and then participates in behaviour that directly supports the continuation of the ill-treatment of animals is a hypocrite.



I certainly do not claim to be be exempt from similar hypocrisy in my own past. In fact, I have publicly questioned my own past behaviour on my blog in a post titled, &quot;Are Vegetarians Hypocrites Or Was I The Only One?&quot; Check it out to see if any of it resonates with you?



The bottom-line here, Herwin, is that PETAs anti-fur campaign is undermined and loses much its credibility by using people who are so clearly ethically inconsistent in their behaviour to animal rights.



I take back nothing of what I said. ANYBODY, who consumes animal products, regardless of their anti-fur stance, is a participant in the exploitation of animals and cannot, by definition, be pro-animal rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herwin, this is not a difficult issue to understand. A hypocrite is somebody who espouses certain views or beliefs and then behaves in a way that is contrary to those espoused views or beliefs. So ANYBODY (myself included) who declares themselves to be pro-animal rights and then participates in behaviour that directly supports the continuation of the ill-treatment of animals is a hypocrite.</p>
<p>I certainly do not claim to be be exempt from similar hypocrisy in my own past. In fact, I have publicly questioned my own past behaviour on my blog in a post titled, &#8220;Are Vegetarians Hypocrites Or Was I The Only One?&#8221; Check it out to see if any of it resonates with you?</p>
<p>The bottom-line here, Herwin, is that PETAs anti-fur campaign is undermined and loses much its credibility by using people who are so clearly ethically inconsistent in their behaviour to animal rights.</p>
<p>I take back nothing of what I said. ANYBODY, who consumes animal products, regardless of their anti-fur stance, is a participant in the exploitation of animals and cannot, by definition, be pro-animal rights.</p>
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		<title>By: herwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>herwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in some parts of the world , yes, fur is &quot;out of fashion&quot; but only thanks to groups like Peta. In other parts of the world Fur is Not At All &quot;out of fashion, like in Japan. Still, even there famous people are so kind enough and even brave enough to support Peta and join their I Rather Go Naked Then Wear Fur campaign. I repeat, &quot;fur&quot; is not out of fashion in Japan, contrary it is getting more and more fashionable. I seriously doubt if any famous people would join Peta in order to gain selfish publicity.

Peta has so much more campaigns besides the anti fur campaigns. Its all about raising awareness at odrinary people, its not for you and me who have a PhD in Veganism so to speak.

I really think it stinks to call people hypocrites and it certainly doesnt have any positive effect.

I myself am a vegan for a long time, ten years i guess. Before that however i was a vegetarian and did eat eggs and cheese and milk, all which i consider now as bad and even more worse then meat in terms of animal cruelty. Would that justify however insults from mudslingers like yourself (a &quot;true&quot; vegan, right ?) to call me a hypocrite ? how can you call people who do make efforts in terms of reducing animal cruelty, even if its a lousy one, a hypocrite ? for me, you and these mudslingers are people living in an ivory tower who are really negative and hypocrites yourself about veganism and animal rights. Were you born vegan ? me dont think so. Would be nice, right ? If in your meateating days somebody came to you and insulted you.my guess is you NEVER would want to become vegan anymore. What we really need is education and above all RESPECT, that way change will come and change will stay.

challenging is something diferent then insulting. the first is done with arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in some parts of the world , yes, fur is &#8220;out of fashion&#8221; but only thanks to groups like Peta. In other parts of the world Fur is Not At All &#8220;out of fashion, like in Japan. Still, even there famous people are so kind enough and even brave enough to support Peta and join their I Rather Go Naked Then Wear Fur campaign. I repeat, &#8220;fur&#8221; is not out of fashion in Japan, contrary it is getting more and more fashionable. I seriously doubt if any famous people would join Peta in order to gain selfish publicity.</p>
<p>Peta has so much more campaigns besides the anti fur campaigns. Its all about raising awareness at odrinary people, its not for you and me who have a PhD in Veganism so to speak.</p>
<p>I really think it stinks to call people hypocrites and it certainly doesnt have any positive effect.</p>
<p>I myself am a vegan for a long time, ten years i guess. Before that however i was a vegetarian and did eat eggs and cheese and milk, all which i consider now as bad and even more worse then meat in terms of animal cruelty. Would that justify however insults from mudslingers like yourself (a &#8220;true&#8221; vegan, right ?) to call me a hypocrite ? how can you call people who do make efforts in terms of reducing animal cruelty, even if its a lousy one, a hypocrite ? for me, you and these mudslingers are people living in an ivory tower who are really negative and hypocrites yourself about veganism and animal rights. Were you born vegan ? me dont think so. Would be nice, right ? If in your meateating days somebody came to you and insulted you.my guess is you NEVER would want to become vegan anymore. What we really need is education and above all RESPECT, that way change will come and change will stay.</p>
<p>challenging is something diferent then insulting. the first is done with arguments.</p>
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