Should You Boycott Bob’s Red Mill?

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Should You Boycott Bob’s Red Mill?

Dear Bob and Charlee Moore,

Recently, I found out that you have pledged to give Oregon Health & Sciences University $25 million to study poor nutrition and obesity.  I’ve been waiting to write this letter until I heard what you had to say, and now that I have- well, disappointed is an understatement.

Oregon Health & Sciences University is notoriously heinous for their animal research programs. As such, by offering them a donation- regardless if it is to be used to fund animal research or not, you are directly making it possible for these types of programs to continue.  There are many universities who do not use animals as test subjects who would benefit greatly from such a donation.

If I continued to purchase your products I too would be supporting that university, since it’s me and thousands like me who’ve bought your products thereby giving you the profits to donate.  And Mr. and Mrs. Moore, I can’t do that.  We’ll be parting ways, I’m very sorry to say it.  I’ve been a loyal customer for years, but I don’t support organizations who test on animals.  I do my best to ensure that my vegan dollars are spent with companies that are more aligned with my ethics.  As long as Bob’s Red Mill provides money to organizations that perform animal research, I will not buy your products.

With Sincere Regret,

KD Traegner

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Many of you might be wondering why, as other bloggers and companies have reaffirmed their support of Bob’s Red Mill since the press release, that I am still going to boycott them.  Here are some thoughts:

  • Bob’s wanted to assure us that no part of their donation will be used to fund animal research, I appreciate that.  But the fact remains that their funds will go to a university that performs animal testing.  Wouldn’t it be better to support a university that does not support or fund animal testing at all?  If Bob’s Red Mill is against animal testing, then why partner with an animal tester- regardless if you are funding it or not?
  • Bob’s could only donate the profits they made from people like you and me.  Without our support, there would be no profits to donate.
  • Even if Bob’s wasn’t aware that OHSU tests on animals, they are now.  And they are still donating $25 million dollars to them.
  • The letter from OHSU?  It’s vague and political.  It never mentions one time that they will not use the funds to test on animals. (Will they be policing the funds to ensure that not one dime goes to fund anything else?)

Some might say that this issue isn’t black or white, we all fund the exploitation of animals in some form or another- that a boycott would not be a good use of our activist time.

I strongly disagree.

Listen, I am a realist enough to know that no one is 100% animal free- I’m talking myself here too.  But there is a difference between: purchasing a vegan product made from a non-vegan company that is cruelty-free, and buying a vegan product from a non-vegan company that funds universities that test on animals.  It’s right there, in the open for us all to see.  It’s rarely that easy to make an ethical decision, right?  It can be a challenge to determine whether a company is cruelty-free- in this instance we can easily see that Bob’s is not.

Every time you stand up for your vegan beliefs, every time you raise questions, have a vegan dialogue with someone, every time you sit down to a vegan meal- you are participating in activism.  You are making a difference to someone every time you interact with them.  Don’t underestimate the power you have to affect change.

Think about this, The Informed Vegan wrote a post about Bob’s Red Mill that went viral.  It was his influence that had thousands of people tweeting, posting on facebook, and commenting on blogs about the issue.  It was his influence that prompted the protestors, that prompted Bob’s Red Mill to issue a response.  One can make a difference.  You are that one.

I realize that I can’t tell you what to do with your money but I can tell me what to do with my money.  I do not support companies that test on animals.  Bob’s Red Mill supports a university that supports/performs animal testing.  If I buy their products, I’m providing them the profits that they’ll use to donate to facilities that are not aligned with my beliefs.

UPDATE 9/30/11: This issue has sparked much debate and none more so that with the readers of YDV.  In lieu of commenting, I’ve expanded some of my original thoughts on this issue.  Please find them after the jump.

Updated Thoughts on Bob’s Red Mill

Recently, I decided to stop buying Bob’s Red Mill products due to the CEO and founder donating $25 million dollars to a university that also experiments on animals.  My decision, and subsequent post regarding it, has angered people- none more so than my vegan peers.  It has been said that:

1.  The donation is from the founder, not the company, so a boycott of the company (and it’s employees) is wrong.

2.  The Moores released a statement (on Bob’s Red Mill website) that the donation won’t be used to fund animal experiments.  The University also released a statement, though it is more vague and doesn’t specifically mention that the donated funds won’t go towards animal experimentation.  To some (vegans), this shows that Bob (and Bob’s Red Mill by extension) is “doing the right thing” so we (vegans) shouldn’t “turn our backs on them.”

3.  Boycotting Bob’s Red Mill is fruitless because we could never boycott every single company/individual who exploits animals.  This is by far the most popular rebuttal.

4.  The company wasn’t a vegan company in the first place so a boycott makes little sense in terms of vegan consistency.

5.  It is unproductive as advocates to work on a project beyond advocating veganism because there are no moral differences between instances of animal exploitation.  There is no moral difference between wearing leather or wearing fur, for example.  To do otherwise is labeled as “single-issue” campaigning.

To which I reply,

1.  Bob Moore acts as the company spokesperson and retains the position of CEO of the company.  As such, Bob Moore and Bob’s Red Mill have a mutually beneficial relationship.  Bob Moore profits when Bob’s Red Mill profits.  I provide those profits when I buy their products.

2.  The Moores donation may not go to pay for animal experimentation (if we trust those with little regard for animals on their word), but it will go to pay for salaries of those who do.  Recruitment of the institute’s leader is specifically listed as an approved expenditure for the donated funds.  One must infer what this means, the letter is (again) specifically vague.

3.  Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. In other words, just because you can’t do everything doesn’t mean you should do nothing.  I may not be able to boycott every instance of animal exploitation, but I can and should take direct action whenever possible- particularly when it can benefit the lives of animals.

4. & 5.  I used to agree with the sentiment about single-issue campaigning.  In fact, I’ve even wrote about it as recently as June.  I was wrong.  This is a separate issue in which I will address in another post.

The bottom line, for me, is that Bob’s donation (and his subsequent promotion of it using Bob’s Red Mill brand and blog) has raised some serious issues.  Not only with Bob, but with how vegans deal with non-vegan companies.  As a vegan, I question if my actions are going to help the animals or if it’s going to keep their situations status quo.  Not doing anything because of any of the reasons listed above means that those animals’ situations won’t change- maybe those situations won’t even change by my boycott.  But I have to try, based on what I know- I have to try.

It is important to discuss these issues with our fellow vegan peers, even if the views are different.  We can do so much more good with open and honest dialogue than we can without it.  It isn’t hatred that fuels these types of discussions (as I’ve read some say), it’s responding to the very real situations that these animals are placed in.

Limiting the amount of profits to later be used as a private donation to fund these types of experiments, while a single issue, is advocating the vegan message and taking a direct action at the same time.  This is the best direct action I can offer those animals right now.  So that’s what I’ll do.

September 25th, 2011|News|

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27 Comments

  1. Scotchbonnet December 29, 2013 at 1:08 pm - Reply

    Rights require responsibility. I no more believe in animal rights than I believe in corporate personhood. I do, however believe in animal welfare. As a former medical researcher, who supervised numerous animal trials of implantable medical devices over 11 years. Every trial passed FDA scrutiny but one. That one failure wreaked havoc in my professional and personal life. I still have PTSD over it. But the medical community gained huge knowledge over that failure, and countless lives have been saved, because of that one failure.

    PETA is a paramilitary death squad that threatened my life for doing something to keep people safe. That was 25 years ago. I left research in the mid-90s for a better paying career in healthcare finance. But I thank GOD, daily, for the people who work in medical research. It’s a difficult job to love animals and yet to use them for the greater good.

    All of you sanctimonious jerks need to have PETA tattooed on your upper gums, and there should be a law that says if you have that tattoo, you cannot receive Heath Care in any venue.

    Yes, the Earth is one organism, but there is a hierarchy. Learn it, live it, love it!

  2. Victoria November 14, 2011 at 7:14 pm - Reply

    While this issue certainly concerns me (I have been an animal activist for 30 yr.) if you look at companies (including organic ones) you will NOT find ONE with a perfect record. Check out Cornucopia Institute’s info about the big brand names that have bought up the most loved companies (like Hain & Annie’s). Most of what you find in a health food store is much worse than we think (companies like Proctor & Gamble peddling organic). I believe it’s right & fair to look at a company the same way we’d like to be looked at if we were in the same predicament. Would we want someone to see the WHOLE picture…or just one view? We won’t find any perfect companies…period. I have been eating organic for 30+ yr…and it hasn’t happened yet.

  3. Rob October 15, 2011 at 10:44 am - Reply

    Whether or not the Moore’s donation is used to directly fund vivisection, it frees up OHSU funds previously allocated to other programs and allows them to now be poured into vivisection. While OHSU continue to have a vivisection program, ANY donation to OHSU will directly or indirectly support horrifying, unethical, and unnecessary acts of animal cruelty that would be illegal if they were performed on humans.

    I’m sure that the Moore’s intention was good; how wonderful it must have felt to commit money to an organization they thought was working towards the betterment of their friends, family, and society. As far as I know they are omnivores, so may have more awareness of health than of animal cruelty issues. This reminds me of all the people who wear pink and participate in the breast cancer “Race For The Cure;” like OHSU the Susan G. Komen foundation also supports vivisection, but most people contributing likely have no idea.

    The big question is: once a contributor’s eyes are opened will they continue to support cruelty? Vegans represent only 1% of the population, so the overwhelming reality is that yes, they will. As vegans we live our ethics; our morals are not for Sundays and tax deductions only. The Moores now clearly have an awareness of the vivisection but are committed to providing the vivisector $25,000,000. Our money does not have to be a part of that $25,000,000. Boycott Bob’s Red Mill.

  4. bitt October 1, 2011 at 2:51 pm - Reply

    you brought up a lot of the same issues and tensions i have about the whole situation. the whole nonvegan company issue, the not trusting completely where the money would go, and more questions you brought up.

    sadly being gluten-free often bob’s is the only product that I can use for flour. no i don’t NEED flour but it is nice to have once in awhile. I think in general we need more options but I don’t think I’ll boycott bob’s overtly, just shop around more. they sort of have a molopoly which makes me feel uncomfortable anyhow.

    and, i can’t believe people are being so rude to each other on this post. play nice guys, we are supposed to be on the same side here.

  5. Francesca September 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm - Reply

    True, it was Bob and Charlee’s personal donation and not the company’s money that went towards OHSU, but the company definitely publicized that information in the hopes of basking in that charitable glow.

    We all know that Bob’s Red Mill basically sells ordinary commodities. Rice, wheat and oatmeal are not rare items in our modern society. The reason people will shell out a little more for a bag of Bob’s is because Bob’s sells a complex image of good-for-you food made by a do-right company. You’ve got the chef/gourmet crowd mixed in there a little bit, but those folks are much less brand loyal and much more likely to pick up some other brand of almond flour to try out if it seems like it might be slightly tastier.

    By nature, Bob’s caters to an audience that passionately believes in something. They believe in these ideals about Bob’s Red Mill so much so that they will spend extra money on basic things. Bob’s face is on every product for a reason. People aren’t just buying flour, they’re buying the idea that Bob stands for the same things they do.

    So, let’s start by engaging take a passionate audience that relies on unconventional media sources for its information. Because news about vegan interests and animal rights issues are not usually represented in the conventional mainstream media, people seeking information about these issues are forced to rely on blogs and word of mouth to make sure they are following their personal beliefs. Let’s make this audience a highly educated group that has solidified around social media as a means of forming community.

    Now let’s mix in a pinch solid action taking, because you want to know who’s good at boycotting stuff? Vegans. If you’re a vegan you have been already boycotting stuff. Not just at the store when you’re picking up some shampoo, but personally boycotting difficult and socially uncomfortable things like your grandma’s traditional Thanksgiving Dinner.

    Now just toss in a little OHSU and you’ve got a recipe for disaster!

    It is widely known that OHSU is an evil empire for people concerned about animal rights. Many people have been very angry with OHSU for a long time. My best guess is that in deciding to publicize the OHSU donation, someone either didn’t know about that anger or dismissed it as a fringe element.

    So when the original blog post about the whole thing came out on “The Informed Vegan” the contradiction was discovered by the very same mechanics the original ideals were publicized, and the response was unleashed.

    Oh no! What to do? The people who are angry knew what to do. They made their voices heard on the BRM blog, on other blogs, on Twitter and Facebook. Why? Because that is how everyone communicates now.

    Bob’s Red Mill created spaces on the Internet where people could feel like they were communicating with Bob. Before all the hoopla it suited the company to maintain that illusion of being close to Bob, the guy who believes in the same stuff that you do.

    That’s why the company’s original response about writing letters instead of posting comments on social media stuck out as being so insincere. Bob’s Red Mill was telling it’s core consumers that they were not allowed to communicate with Bob in the same way that Bob was allowed to communicate with them. And from the outside it just came across as the Company wanting to quiet down the ruckus.

    Unveiling the actual disconnect in communication just added insult to injury. After all, letters written to a company are private – social media is public. The people against the donation just wanted to make their displeasure known as publicly as the people who praised the donation. No one was asking people who were in favor of the donation to quiet down and write letters.

    The bottom line is that you can’t tell your customers how to respond about things that they care about. It is a company’s job to listen and react in a non-defensive compassionate way or suffer the consequences.

  6. Matt Rider September 30, 2011 at 5:14 pm - Reply

    KD,

    I am disappointed you removed my last post. I thought it was the best so far and shows how much I love you. Actions like this give vegans a bad name. Please reconsider…

    Matt

  7. Erin @ Eat Plants and Run September 29, 2011 at 8:10 pm - Reply

    I’ve been honestly struggling with this issue since news broke about the donation and since Bob and Charlee came out saying that the funds would not go towards animal testing. OHSU doesn’t just participate in animal testing; the instituion is INFAMOUS for their egregious testing methods and poor animal treatment. Information about this issue is rampant on the web. How and why would Bob and Charlee not have known this? Was the goal to give locally perhaps more important? Do they have other ties with the University? I don’t know, but the fact is that it makes me uncomfortable. Am I a so-called “perfect” vegan? No, but who is? I’m sure someone could find something to throw in my face that they would believe would contradict my stance if I were to boycott. That’s life as a vegan; it seems that someone can’t wait to find something to pick out and prove that you’re somehow a hypocrite, i.e. I was asked today if my purse is leather. But you know what? I don’t care. I do the best I can with the information and resources I have, and this IS information that I have and now know quite a bit about. So if KD or anyone else wants to boycott Bob’s because of this donation, I support them 100 percent. Sending a message by standing up against wrongs is better than shrugging your shoulders and ignoring the issue because it simply seems less egregious as other things.
    With that, anyone have other companies they would recommend?

  8. John September 29, 2011 at 6:05 pm - Reply

    Yes Leah and SB, according to the “logic” of these vegans it’s ok to shop at Whole Foods which sells meat (organic meat but meat non the less) but they expect you to boycott Red Mill…!!!!! The way some vegans twist logic and justify some of their choices and boycotts so they can keep pointing the finger at some while making purchases to others boggles the mind and keeps me in the vegan closet. Reminds me of Christains who go on about love and God and in the same breath hate gays….and trying to point out such idiocy to said vegans is like trying to argue with religious extemeists…does nothing but raise your blood pressure and make one wanna rip their hair out. Do what I do and buy what you feel is right whenever you can as there’s no rule saying if you don’t buy into this oxymoronic so called logic that you aren’t a “real” vegan or “vegan enough”…you aren’t imagining it …it really doesn’t make sense!

  9. Charleen September 29, 2011 at 9:00 am - Reply

    Finlay, you just don’t get it. Comparing this to where our tax dollars go is ridiculous. Our recourse for that is through our f’d up political system & everyday protest- such as being vegan. Boycotting a company or product is a direct means of action. I suppose you sit around and do nothing because you find it impossible to do everything that needs done. Will my boycott of Bob’s grains change his mind? Probably not. But bringing this issue to the public has already spurred debate, and further has caused Bob’s to defend & justify the donation and attempt to placate concerned customers with publicly issued statements. Because in the end, most everyone agrees that animal testing is wrong- even Bob.

  10. Jack Johanson September 29, 2011 at 8:56 am - Reply

    I don’t understand. Bob doesn’t even own the company anymore, so all your boycott will do is to hurt the hard working people who do now own the company for an action that they had no voice or vote in. Everyone was so quick to judgement, before any response was even given by Bob’s Red Mill or Bob Moore. They were clear and fully disclosed the information about their donation and their motives. Although I do not regularly buy Bob’s Red Mil products, I will not go out of my way to avoid it. On the other hand, I will strongly and respectfully write directly to Bob Moore and express my displeasure for his donation to an institution that engages in vivisection.

    We are all entitled to our opinions but I will continue to try to give thought and other people some time to respond to charges, before jumping on a bandwagon and vilifying them without all the facts or by making others pay for what I deem as evil deeds.

  11. Finlay Shaw September 29, 2011 at 3:01 am - Reply

    From all this, it seems like vegan diets only make people grouchy and sanctimonious. Who gives a rat’s arse what brand of grain you buy? Bob seems to be trying to help fat people get healthier. I have to think our taxes support animal research through the NIH more than this private donation will.

  12. Finlay Shaw September 29, 2011 at 2:34 am - Reply

    F yourself? Really? Wow.

    Bob has brought people to grains and away from meat for 40 years — not through name-calling and agitprop, but by example and positive messaging.

    OK, so we don’t have the patience for that gentle approach anymore, but here’s the deal: If you seek to keep your money totally innoculated from animal research, then the first thing you must do is to refuse to pay taxes of any kind to our animal-research-supporting government — and willingly face the consequences. If that logic seems silly, or if you’d like to give yourself a moral loophole that you’d deprive someone like Bob of, then consider how this weird this debate must seem to ordinary people trying to do their best.

  13. SB September 28, 2011 at 9:27 am - Reply

    Based on similar logical reasoning, it would lead one to conclude that nearly all (or possibly all) vegan frozen foods must be avoided, because these companies often make non-vegan items, or are in some way affiliated with non-vegan companies.

    I implore you instead, to consider that Bob’s Red Mill is advocating at a university that performs animal testing, that quality research can and should be performed without the use of animals. It could have a guerrilla advocacy effect.

    • KD September 28, 2011 at 11:54 am - Reply

      Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. In other words, just because you can’t do everything doesn’t mean you should do nothing.

  14. Live A Loving Life September 28, 2011 at 8:16 am - Reply

    Have a heart that never hardens, and a temper that never tires, and a touch that never hurts.
    Charles Dickens

    KD I am proud of you for having the courage to stand up and take action for your beliefs. I wish there were more compassionate, courageous and caring people like you in this world. We need to do what we can to end suffering. Those that scorn and ridicule you are the same people that if they lived in a different age would scorn the people that wanted to abolish Roman gladiator fights to the death with humans and animals. They would scorn people that wanted to abolish slavery, women’s rights or anyone that stood up for what is good and right.

  15. KD September 28, 2011 at 7:58 am - Reply

    While I permit comments on this site, I don’t permit nasty comments for the sake of being nasty, even if you compliment me in the process. Matt, you’ve had your fun but I must insist you refrain from shit talking another YDV reader. If you disagree with my position (or someone else’s) respectful questions and comments may be left.

    Being a dick once can be funny. Being a dick more than once makes you tedious. Any more comments like those will be blocked.

    I’m cool like that. ;)

  16. Peter Chanter September 27, 2011 at 8:54 pm - Reply

    Barbara,

    Let’s take a quick look at your post:

    ‘I think it’s sad and gross that Bob’s Red Mill would do this.’
    -Okay, I’m with you so far. It appears you are agreeing with the authorial perspective

    ‘ It makes no difference to me if the money goes to animal testing.’
    -Oh, ummm, I think I’m not quite following you here. You appear to have reversed your position

    ‘ Animal testing will not stop until the money stops or they are completely condemned by humanity.’
    -Well, at least you’re (sort of) back on message. Also, I like how you conceive of animal testing itself as a ‘they’. That’s very creative, if not grammatical.

    ‘It’s like when The Body Shop was sold to L’Oreal. Sell outs hurt especially in the case of animal rights.’
    -Oh Barbara, is it really like that? I’m pretty sure your analogy uses the word ‘sold’, whereas this particular scenario involves a charitable donation, ‘donation’ here serving as the operative word. They do both involve money though, so I can see how you may have gotten so confused. Your use of the word ‘sold’ did provide a wonderful segue into your inspiring words about sell outs though, so I can see how you couldn’t resist using such a poor analogy for poetic reasons–‘donation outs’ doesn’t quite have the same ring to it, plus it sounds much less vitriolic

    But oh my goodness, I’ve just seen a fatal error in my own post, namely, I have been using reasoned thought and argument. Wow, my sincerest apologies; obviously reason has no place in a debate (or message board) like this. If I may, please permit me to attempt to undo the damage done with the following intentionally inflammatory irrational remarks.

    If vegans actually cared about animal suffering, they’d be out killing all the foxes and wolves and other carnivores inflicting pain and suffering on the poor innocent other animals. At the bare minimum they’d be putting the foxes and wolves in some sort of animal jail, awaiting trial.

    P.S. Matt, your post was hilarious! I laughed so hard. Not you Matt Miner, your post was thoroughly mundane and uninspiring.

  17. Matt Rider September 27, 2011 at 7:50 pm - Reply

    Charleen,

    Oh you angy, angry vegan…you might have swayed my opinion. Your extremely ridiculous reasoning has swayed my heart from hatred to sympathy. I am so sorry you are so stupid. You only wish you were the coolest. However, KD is cool, cool for letting idiots like you post on her stupid page.

  18. charleen September 27, 2011 at 7:07 pm - Reply

    Almost forgot,
    Matt Rider, you’re an ass and I’m the coolest motherfucker on this planet.
    ;)

  19. charleen September 27, 2011 at 7:02 pm - Reply

    I recently heard that there’s been some confusion as to where said donation is coming from- Bob’s Red Mill Co. or Bob Moore, the founder. Indeed, the donation is made by Bob Moore and his wife, Charlee. It’s also been said that because it’s from the Moore’s, there’s no reason to boycott the Company. Quite simply, this is flawed reasoning.

    As responsible vegans, the only tangible form of protest and instrument of change we possess, is often only with our money. Bob Moore is the CEO of Bob’s Red Mill and the public image of the Company. The Company and Bob Moore have a mutual relationship regarding the exchange of funds (salary/profits). This fact makes the Company responsible for mitigating or handling the actions of it’s employees- including the CEO (it is standard practice for employees of many companies to be contractually obligated to not portray the Company in a negative manner through personal actions). This is why a boycott of Bob’s Red Mill Co. is justified- one of their employees (who happens to be their public face) has portrayed the Company in a negative manner to us vegans.

    I’d like to also add that it is flawed to reason that we, as vegans, should have no problem with this donation to an animal testing facility because the Company endorses animal use in regards to recipes (farm animals vs. lab animals). We should do nothing because we can’t do everything? This carries the argument to a level of absurdity. Let me be clear, ALL animal exploitation is wrong. But this is bigger than a “vegan” issue. Most people in this world, vegan or not, believe torturing animals is wrong. It’s far easier to convince someone that locking an animal in a cage, injecting them with chemicals, and letting them lay in their own excrement is worthy of being labeled an atrocity- than it is to convince them that the grilled cheese sandwich they’re eating is the same.

    It’s unfortunate that sometimes we have to choose our battles when it comes to ending human dominion over other animals. What would we do otherwise? Nothing? No way, not me, not in good conscience.

  20. Jenny September 27, 2011 at 5:55 pm - Reply

    Both you and Bob share the same conviction, though: that money is the best way to produce change, whether by funding nutrition research or boycotting companies. The idea of “vegan dollars” or of “voting with your pocketbook” distracts us from more direct engagement with inequalities (maybe not in individual cases — I’m sure you’re an activist — but in terms of social/political trends), just as a reliance on rich benefactors to support interventions in our unjust food system takes the heat off public policy makers who should be taking the lead to fix the problem.

  21. Leah September 27, 2011 at 2:05 pm - Reply

    I do not get this. Does this mean that, as a vegan, I shouldn’t eat at a restaurant that serves meat? or shop at Fred Meyer because they sell milk? I mean no offense, I am genuinely confused

  22. SoyCatty September 27, 2011 at 12:56 pm - Reply

    Joining the boycott and writing to company too.

    Please be sure you send your comments to the company. (Except for that DB Matt Rider. Please keep your intolerant and ignorant comments where they belong. )

  23. Matt Rider September 27, 2011 at 10:48 am - Reply

    I like what an idiot you are. It makes me feel even better about hating vegans. Thanks!

  24. Kriss Young September 27, 2011 at 10:19 am - Reply

    I agree with you completely on this, and will also be parting ways with Bob’s Red Mill.

  25. Barbara Rose September 27, 2011 at 9:45 am - Reply

    I think it’s sad and gross that Bob’s Red Mill would do this. It makes no difference to me if the money goes to animal testing. Animal testing will not stop until the money stops or they are completely condemned by humanity.

    It’s like when The Body Shop was sold to L’Oreal. Sell outs hurt especially in the case of animal rights.

  26. Matt Miner September 27, 2011 at 9:23 am - Reply

    Hear hear.

    There are other companies that do organic flours and nutritional yeast without giving $25 million to potentially torture animals in labs. I’ll support those companies, thanks.

    See ya, Bob – it’s been a nice ride. Now go fuck yourself.

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